In the second half of this interview with CWA Local 7250 president Kieran Kieran Frazier Knutson​, we focused on labor’s political role. As the Derek Chauvin trial was ongoing at the time, the issue of the police was a natural part of the discussion (although it would have been anyway). We also discussed the relationship between the unions and the Democratic Party and whether building a working class party is a step to be aimed for. Also discussing these issues is Cheryl Zuur, former president of AFSCME Local 444.